Lobby briefing: Guy Herbert, secretary general, No2ID

Guy Herbert on the Government's ID cards scheme.

- What do you think of recent reports that Gordon Brown will push ahead with the ID cards scheme?

Nothing has essentially changed - there hasn't been any announcement by Brown or anyone else. That said, if that is the way Brown were to go, he would be very mistaken.

- Why?

He would be walking into the trap of keeping the whole scheme going on life support. At the moment, it is shaping up to be a horrible disaster. He could, of course, change his mind like any rational person would - like John Major did over the poll tax - scrap the thing and move on. That would be the sane thing to do.

- Presumably you have been lobbying him to change his mind?

Nobody has ever let me into a room with Brown, but certainly we have spoken to everyone we can and said "look, this is a golden opportunity to say this is not working - let's cancel the whole thing".

- Do you think it's likely it will be cancelled?

I'm afraid that not only the Home Office but also the Cabinet Office is pretty well locked into this grand, data-sharing, computerised vision of the future. Putting the brakes on that would take a considerable amount of muscle.

- What have the Conservatives said about it?

David Cameron has said he would scrap it.

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