Third Sector Podcast #4: Toxic workplaces

Rebecca Cooney talks to Shaista Aziz and Susannah Drury about toxic workplaces. Plus a conversation with Sajda Mughal about leaders with lived experience and we ask the public what they think about charity pay

Our fourth monthly podcast looks at toxic workplaces and how charities can ensure they are effectively supporting staff.

Rebecca Cooney is joined in the studio by Shaista Aziz, co-founder of the NGO Safe Space, and Susannah Drury, director of policy, research and people at Missing People, who chat about the recent rash of reports on charities with toxic work environments. They discuss what a toxic work environment is and what staff can do to change it. Missing People was named as one of The Sunday Times' top 100 non-profit organisations to work for, so Susannah explains how charities can create a positive atmosphere.

Later, Rebecca talks to Sajda Mughal, chief executive of the Jan Trust, which supports Muslim women and has a particular focus on empowering mothers to talk to their sons about radicalisation. She explains how having lived experience of the issues her charity aims to tackle really benefits the organisation

And finally, with a charity pay study published in the latest edition of Third Sector, news editor Andy Ricketts takes to the streets of Twickenham to find out what the general public think about executive pay. 

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